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Will Kismac ever support N?
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JN2
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Joined: Tue May 08, 2007 7:17 pm Posts: 57
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 Will Kismac ever support N?
With there being more and more N networks out there, I am wondering if there is any considering of supporting scanning for N networks on both 2.4 ghz and 5 ghz bands? (Actually, I would think it would find them on 2.4 ghz as routers drop back to b/g for clients as needed.)
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| Thu May 27, 2010 7:22 pm |
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Fish
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Joined: Sat Mar 31, 2007 2:57 am Posts: 1127 Location: Sunny... California?
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 Re: Will Kismac ever support N?
Patches welcomed.
And good luck finding a network that isn't backwards-compatible with 802.11g out in the wild, or at least one that an 802.11g sniffer can't detect.
_________________ I'm not a nice person, but I'll help you if you've already read the FAQ and browsed the wiki. "Some folks are wise, and some are otherwise." "Knowledge is the information acquired while searching for an answer, not the answer itself."
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| Fri May 28, 2010 12:19 pm |
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JN2
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 Re: Will Kismac ever support N?
Fish wrote: And good luck finding a network that isn't backwards-compatible with 802.11g out in the wild, or at least one that an 802.11g sniffer can't detect. What about a 5ghz only N network-that wouldn't be sniffed. Can current versions of Kismac indicate which 2.4ghz networks are actually N, or do they all look like G? It's been a while since I updated KisMac, not being a frequent user.
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| Fri May 28, 2010 7:15 pm |
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Fish
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 Re: Will Kismac ever support N?
JN2 wrote: What about a 5ghz only N network-that wouldn't be sniffed. Can current versions of Kismac indicate which 2.4ghz networks are actually N, or do they all look like G? It's been a while since I updated KisMac, not being a frequent user. OK, I've just tested KisMAC with the only AP I have access to that is capable of N-only operation. Test setup includes a custom built checkout of r353 (current svn) and an rt2570 (crappiest stick that isn't AirPort Extreme, crappiest KisMAC USB driver); Apple Time Capsule operating as an AP only. With the AP set to either "802.11n (802.11b/g compatible)" or "802.11n only (2.4 GHz)," the AP is found by KisMAC. Nothing obvious indicated which mode it was operating in, though. The only thing I didn't sift through were the broadcast packets; perhaps there might be something in there. With the AP set to either "802.11n (802.11a compatible)" or "802.11n only (5 GHz)," the poor little rt2570 was unable to detect the AP at all. Unfortunately, I don't have the time (or free system memory) to wait for my Aircrack-ng VM to fire up, so I can't tell you what Kismet or airodump-ng have to say with any of my various USB chipsets. I'm sorry to say that KisMAC is still very far behind the rest of the world as far as development goes; I'm not holding my breath for anything to change significantly at this point. Of course, if some new development blood were to show up and get involved....
_________________ I'm not a nice person, but I'll help you if you've already read the FAQ and browsed the wiki. "Some folks are wise, and some are otherwise." "Knowledge is the information acquired while searching for an answer, not the answer itself."
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| Sat Jun 05, 2010 1:25 am |
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Chinook
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 Re: Will Kismac ever support N?
I am going to shift the subject a little, so, please, forgive me in advance. Quote: ...... I'm sorry to say that KisMAC is still very far behind the rest of the world as far as development goes; I'm not holding my breath for anything to change significantly at this point. Of course, if some new development blood were to show up and get involved.... I would love to help, unfortunately, I can't even patch my own socks. My coding knowledge is below freezing and by the time I learn, WPA 99 will be in place. I perfectly understand the concept of Freeware and open source, unfortunately again, everything has a cost. I would not be against seeing a banner or two on this forum or on KisMAC-ng to help pay for (some) help, an Amazon affiliate link for the Hardware or similar. It will surely not be much, but could provide some relief, or help a dev with a latte or three. If the Dev is stuck, KisMAC will probably have a slow death, and I love this little devil. If Fish or Alchemyxthunder could reply, I would greatly appreciate. TIA
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| Sat Jun 05, 2010 8:53 am |
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JN2
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Joined: Tue May 08, 2007 7:17 pm Posts: 57
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 Re: Will Kismac ever support N?
Chinook wrote: If the Dev is stuck, KisMAC will probably have a slow death This would be a shame and I am not aware of any other GPS enabled network scanners for Mac wardriving, let alone any that would be more modern in terms of detecting the newer types of networks and indicating their type accurately. Unfortunately, I myself, am not prepared to be involved in any development on Kismac.
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| Sat Jun 05, 2010 10:04 am |
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Fish
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Joined: Sat Mar 31, 2007 2:57 am Posts: 1127 Location: Sunny... California?
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 Re: Will Kismac ever support N?
Chinook wrote: I would not be against seeing a banner or two on this forum or on KisMAC-ng to help pay for (some) help, an Amazon affiliate link for the Hardware or similar. Somewhat more important is someone to give the money to.JN2 wrote: I am not aware of any other GPS enabled network scanners for Mac wardriving, let alone any that would be more modern in terms of detecting the newer types of networks and indicating their type accurately. Kismet is on both counts. But we've drifted off topic now; feel free to start a new topic if you want to continue these discussions. In other news, compat-wireless just released 2.6.35_rc1 which DOES include a functional driver that supports the Rockland N3 card; suspected actual chipset is rt3572, though the driver controlling the card is rt2800usb. Support can be had for Pentoo users with the ability to update an install.
_________________ I'm not a nice person, but I'll help you if you've already read the FAQ and browsed the wiki. "Some folks are wise, and some are otherwise." "Knowledge is the information acquired while searching for an answer, not the answer itself."
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| Sun Jun 06, 2010 9:06 pm |
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Chinook
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Joined: Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:14 pm Posts: 99
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Quote: Somewhat more important is someone to give the money to. The to reminds me of the "who was first, the chicken or the egg" story. I am stopping this "public" conversation right now and I'll switch to PM. After, you'll decide what and how to do it, if any. You are an Admin, I am just a "client". Best Rgds
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